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Lies, Stories, and Arguments: Can A Callipolis Exist Without the Noble Lie?

Year 2023, , 89 - 110, 26.06.2023
https://doi.org/10.26650/arcp.1233381

Abstract

During the second half of 20th century, Plato’s presentation of a theory of citizenship and government in the Republic has been accused of being totalitarian, racialist, and anti-egalitarian. In particular, the use of a noble lie as a propaganda tool to persuade citizens about a congenital politic and economic hierarchy has rightly been subjected to intense criticism. Although Plato would not be completely acquitted of all the charges against him, linguistic and logical analyses of the epistemic status and persuasive power of the noble lie can furnish one with a deeper comprehension of Plato’s philosophical purpose. I argue that (i) the noble lie is devised to motivate those who are educated to become philosopher-rulers to work for the good of the Callipolis and its citizens and that (ii) Plato did not expect the noble lie to be enough to persuade either the philosopher-rulers or the rest of the citizens about the goodness and advantages of the government of the Callipolis. This story can be used either for having those of the common people who read Plato’s Republic understand his ideal or for persuading the future citizens of Callipolis who are unpersuadable by rational arguments, should that ever come to be. In conclusion, this study seeks to establish Plato’s awareness of the facts that the noble lie does not ensure the foundation or stability of the Callipolis and that the noble lie is thus neither sufficient nor necessary for Plato’s political ideal.

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Year 2023, , 89 - 110, 26.06.2023
https://doi.org/10.26650/arcp.1233381

Abstract

References

  • Adam, James. The Republic of Plato, 2 Cilt. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2009. google scholar
  • Andrew, Edward. “Equality of Opportunity as the Noble Lie.” History of Political Thought 10, 1989: 577-595. google scholar
  • Annas, Julia. “Plato’s ‘Republic’ and Feminism.” Philosophy 51 (1976): 307—21. google scholar
  • Appleton, R. B. “The Deus ex Machina in Euripides.” The Classical Review 34 (1920): 10-14. google scholar
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  • Brown, Lesley. “How Totalitarian is Plato’s Republic?.” Essays on Plato’s Republic. Derleyen Erik Nis Ostenfeld, 13-17. Aarhus University Press, 1998. google scholar
  • Burnet, John. Platonis Opera, 5 Cilt. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1900—1907. google scholar
  • Chondros, T.G. “‘Deus-Ex-Machina’ Reconstruction and Dynamics.” International Symposium on History of Machines and Mechanisms. Derleyen M. Ceccarelli, 87-104. Dordrecht: Springer, 2004. google scholar
  • Cornford, Francis Macdonald. The Republic of Plato. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1951. google scholar
  • Jacques Derrida. Dissemination. Çeviren Barbara Johnson. London: Athlone Press, 1981 google scholar
  • Dobbs, Darrell. “Choosing Justice: Socrates’ Model City and the Practice of Dialectic.” The American Political Science Review 88 (1994): 263—77. google scholar
  • Dombrowski, D. “Plato’s Noble Lie,” History of Political Thought 18 (1997): 565—78. google scholar
  • Ferrari, G. R. F. ve Griffith, Tom. Plato:The Republic. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000. google scholar
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  • Fontenrose, Joseph. “Work, Justice, and Hesiod’s Five Ages.” ClassicalPhilology 69 (1974), 1—16. google scholar
  • Gonda, Joseph. “A New Interpretation of the Noble Lie.” Plato Journal 21 (2021): 71-85. google scholar
  • Hansen, Mogens Herman. “Greek City-States.”The Oxford Handbook ofthe State in the Ancient Near East and Mediterranean. Derleyen Peter Fibiger Bang ve Walter Scheidel, 259—278. New York: Oxford University Press, 2013. google scholar
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  • Schofield, Malcolm. “The Noble Lie.” The Cambridge Companion to Plato’s Republic. Derleyen G. R. F. Ferrari, 138-164. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2007. google scholar
  • Sedley, David. “Plato’s Tsunami.” Hyperboreus 11 (2005): 205-214. google scholar
  • Szlezak, T.A. Reading Plato. Çeviren Graham Zanker. London, New York: Routledge, 1999. google scholar
  • he Cambridge Greek Lexicon. Derleyen James Diggle Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2021. google scholar
  • Wilberding, James. “Plato’s Two Forms of Second-Best Morality.”The Philosophical Review 118 (2009): 351374. google scholar
  • Williams, David Lay. “Plato’s Noble Lie: From Kallipolis to Magnesia.” History ofPoliticalThought 34 (2013): 363-92. google scholar
  • Wolfsdorf, David.Trials of Reason: Plato and the Crafting ofPhilosophy. New York: Oxford University Press, 2008. google scholar
Year 2023, , 89 - 110, 26.06.2023
https://doi.org/10.26650/arcp.1233381

Abstract

References

  • Adam, James. The Republic of Plato, 2 Cilt. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2009. google scholar
  • Andrew, Edward. “Equality of Opportunity as the Noble Lie.” History of Political Thought 10, 1989: 577-595. google scholar
  • Annas, Julia. “Plato’s ‘Republic’ and Feminism.” Philosophy 51 (1976): 307—21. google scholar
  • Appleton, R. B. “The Deus ex Machina in Euripides.” The Classical Review 34 (1920): 10-14. google scholar
  • Baima, Nicholas R. “Republic 382A—D: On the Dangers and Benefits of Falsehood,” Classical Philology 112 (2017): 17-18. google scholar
  • Brown, Lesley. “How Totalitarian is Plato’s Republic?.” Essays on Plato’s Republic. Derleyen Erik Nis Ostenfeld, 13-17. Aarhus University Press, 1998. google scholar
  • Burnet, John. Platonis Opera, 5 Cilt. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1900—1907. google scholar
  • Chondros, T.G. “‘Deus-Ex-Machina’ Reconstruction and Dynamics.” International Symposium on History of Machines and Mechanisms. Derleyen M. Ceccarelli, 87-104. Dordrecht: Springer, 2004. google scholar
  • Cornford, Francis Macdonald. The Republic of Plato. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1951. google scholar
  • Jacques Derrida. Dissemination. Çeviren Barbara Johnson. London: Athlone Press, 1981 google scholar
  • Dobbs, Darrell. “Choosing Justice: Socrates’ Model City and the Practice of Dialectic.” The American Political Science Review 88 (1994): 263—77. google scholar
  • Dombrowski, D. “Plato’s Noble Lie,” History of Political Thought 18 (1997): 565—78. google scholar
  • Ferrari, G. R. F. ve Griffith, Tom. Plato:The Republic. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000. google scholar
  • Frank, Jill. Poetic Justice: Rereading Plato’s Republic. Chicago, London: The University of Chicago Press, 2018. google scholar
  • Fontenrose, Joseph. “Work, Justice, and Hesiod’s Five Ages.” ClassicalPhilology 69 (1974), 1—16. google scholar
  • Gonda, Joseph. “A New Interpretation of the Noble Lie.” Plato Journal 21 (2021): 71-85. google scholar
  • Hansen, Mogens Herman. “Greek City-States.”The Oxford Handbook ofthe State in the Ancient Near East and Mediterranean. Derleyen Peter Fibiger Bang ve Walter Scheidel, 259—278. New York: Oxford University Press, 2013. google scholar
  • Hansen, Mogens Herman. “Political Parties in Democratic Athens.” Greek, Roman, and Byzantine Studies 54 (2014): 379403. google scholar
  • Hesiod.Theogony. Works and Days.Testimonia. Çeviren ve Derleyen Glenn Most. London: Harvard University Press, 2006. google scholar
  • Hourani, George F. “The Education of the Third Class in Plato’s Republic,” Classical Quarterly 43 (1949): 58-60. google scholar
  • Most, Glenn W. “Plato’s Exoteric Myths.” Plato andMyth. Derleyen C. Collobert, P Destree ve F. J. Gonzalez, 13-24. Leiden: Brill, 2012. google scholar
  • Oddy, W. A. “Assaying in Antiquity.” Gold Bull 16 (1983): 52-59. google scholar
  • Rowett, Catherine. “Why the Philosopher Kings will Believe the Noble Lie.” Oxford Studies in Ancient Philosophy (2016): 67-100. google scholar
  • Popper, Karl. The Open Society and Its Enemies: New One-Volume Edition. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2013. google scholar
  • Schofield, Malcolm. “The Noble Lie.” The Cambridge Companion to Plato’s Republic. Derleyen G. R. F. Ferrari, 138-164. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2007. google scholar
  • Sedley, David. “Plato’s Tsunami.” Hyperboreus 11 (2005): 205-214. google scholar
  • Szlezak, T.A. Reading Plato. Çeviren Graham Zanker. London, New York: Routledge, 1999. google scholar
  • he Cambridge Greek Lexicon. Derleyen James Diggle Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2021. google scholar
  • Wilberding, James. “Plato’s Two Forms of Second-Best Morality.”The Philosophical Review 118 (2009): 351374. google scholar
  • Williams, David Lay. “Plato’s Noble Lie: From Kallipolis to Magnesia.” History ofPoliticalThought 34 (2013): 363-92. google scholar
  • Wolfsdorf, David.Trials of Reason: Plato and the Crafting ofPhilosophy. New York: Oxford University Press, 2008. google scholar

Yalanlar, Hikayeler ve Argümanlar: Asil Yalansız Bir Kallipolis Mümkün mü?

Year 2023, , 89 - 110, 26.06.2023
https://doi.org/10.26650/arcp.1233381

Abstract

20. yüzyılın ikinci yarısında Platon’un Devlet’te ortaya koyduğu vatandaşlık ve yönetim teorisi totaliter, ırkçı ve eşitlikçilik karşıtı olmakla suçlanmıştır. Özellikle ulus ve yurttaş kimliği yaratmak için yönetici elitler tarafından kurgulanması öngörülen asil yalan hikayesinin vatandaşları doğuştan gelen politik ve ekonomik bir hiyerarşiye inandırmak için bir propaganda aracı gibi kullanılması haklı olarak yoğun eleştirilere maruz kalmıştır. Platon’u yukarıdaki suçlamalar karşısında tamamen aklamayacak olsa bile, asil yalanın epistemik statüsü ve ikna etme gücü hakkında yapılacak dilsel ve mantıksal analizler bize Platon’un felsefi amacına dair kapsamlı bir resim sunabilir. Bu bağlamda, (i) asil yalanın filozof-yönetici olmak için eğitilecekleri Kallipolis’in ve vatandaşların iyiliği için çalışmaya yönlendirmek için kurgulanmış olduğu; (ii) Platon’un bu yalanla ne kendini tamamıyla gerçekleştirmiş filozof-yöneticilerin ne de halkın geri kalanının Kallipolis’in yönetim biçiminin iyiliği ve yararı konusunda ikna olmasını beklemediği iddia edilecektir. Bu hikâye hem Devlet’i okuyacak sıradan halkın Platon’un idealini anlaması için hem de eğer bir gün Kallipolis kurulacaksa rasyonel argümanları anlayamayacak vatandaşları ikna etmek için kullanılabilir. Sonuç olarak, bu makale Platon’un asil yalanın ideal devletinin ne kuruluşu ne de istikrarlı bir şekilde sürdürülmesi için güvence sağlayamayacağının farkında olduğunu, asil yalanın politik ideali için ne zorunlu ne de gerekli olduğunu göstermeyi hedeflemektedir.

References

  • Adam, James. The Republic of Plato, 2 Cilt. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2009. google scholar
  • Andrew, Edward. “Equality of Opportunity as the Noble Lie.” History of Political Thought 10, 1989: 577-595. google scholar
  • Annas, Julia. “Plato’s ‘Republic’ and Feminism.” Philosophy 51 (1976): 307—21. google scholar
  • Appleton, R. B. “The Deus ex Machina in Euripides.” The Classical Review 34 (1920): 10-14. google scholar
  • Baima, Nicholas R. “Republic 382A—D: On the Dangers and Benefits of Falsehood,” Classical Philology 112 (2017): 17-18. google scholar
  • Brown, Lesley. “How Totalitarian is Plato’s Republic?.” Essays on Plato’s Republic. Derleyen Erik Nis Ostenfeld, 13-17. Aarhus University Press, 1998. google scholar
  • Burnet, John. Platonis Opera, 5 Cilt. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1900—1907. google scholar
  • Chondros, T.G. “‘Deus-Ex-Machina’ Reconstruction and Dynamics.” International Symposium on History of Machines and Mechanisms. Derleyen M. Ceccarelli, 87-104. Dordrecht: Springer, 2004. google scholar
  • Cornford, Francis Macdonald. The Republic of Plato. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1951. google scholar
  • Jacques Derrida. Dissemination. Çeviren Barbara Johnson. London: Athlone Press, 1981 google scholar
  • Dobbs, Darrell. “Choosing Justice: Socrates’ Model City and the Practice of Dialectic.” The American Political Science Review 88 (1994): 263—77. google scholar
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  • Ferrari, G. R. F. ve Griffith, Tom. Plato:The Republic. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000. google scholar
  • Frank, Jill. Poetic Justice: Rereading Plato’s Republic. Chicago, London: The University of Chicago Press, 2018. google scholar
  • Fontenrose, Joseph. “Work, Justice, and Hesiod’s Five Ages.” ClassicalPhilology 69 (1974), 1—16. google scholar
  • Gonda, Joseph. “A New Interpretation of the Noble Lie.” Plato Journal 21 (2021): 71-85. google scholar
  • Hansen, Mogens Herman. “Greek City-States.”The Oxford Handbook ofthe State in the Ancient Near East and Mediterranean. Derleyen Peter Fibiger Bang ve Walter Scheidel, 259—278. New York: Oxford University Press, 2013. google scholar
  • Hansen, Mogens Herman. “Political Parties in Democratic Athens.” Greek, Roman, and Byzantine Studies 54 (2014): 379403. google scholar
  • Hesiod.Theogony. Works and Days.Testimonia. Çeviren ve Derleyen Glenn Most. London: Harvard University Press, 2006. google scholar
  • Hourani, George F. “The Education of the Third Class in Plato’s Republic,” Classical Quarterly 43 (1949): 58-60. google scholar
  • Most, Glenn W. “Plato’s Exoteric Myths.” Plato andMyth. Derleyen C. Collobert, P Destree ve F. J. Gonzalez, 13-24. Leiden: Brill, 2012. google scholar
  • Oddy, W. A. “Assaying in Antiquity.” Gold Bull 16 (1983): 52-59. google scholar
  • Rowett, Catherine. “Why the Philosopher Kings will Believe the Noble Lie.” Oxford Studies in Ancient Philosophy (2016): 67-100. google scholar
  • Popper, Karl. The Open Society and Its Enemies: New One-Volume Edition. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2013. google scholar
  • Schofield, Malcolm. “The Noble Lie.” The Cambridge Companion to Plato’s Republic. Derleyen G. R. F. Ferrari, 138-164. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2007. google scholar
  • Sedley, David. “Plato’s Tsunami.” Hyperboreus 11 (2005): 205-214. google scholar
  • Szlezak, T.A. Reading Plato. Çeviren Graham Zanker. London, New York: Routledge, 1999. google scholar
  • he Cambridge Greek Lexicon. Derleyen James Diggle Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2021. google scholar
  • Wilberding, James. “Plato’s Two Forms of Second-Best Morality.”The Philosophical Review 118 (2009): 351374. google scholar
  • Williams, David Lay. “Plato’s Noble Lie: From Kallipolis to Magnesia.” History ofPoliticalThought 34 (2013): 363-92. google scholar
  • Wolfsdorf, David.Trials of Reason: Plato and the Crafting ofPhilosophy. New York: Oxford University Press, 2008. google scholar
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Tonguç Seferoğlu 0000-0001-8604-7851

Publication Date June 26, 2023
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Chicago Seferoğlu, Tonguç. “Yalanlar, Hikayeler Ve Argümanlar: Asil Yalansız Bir Kallipolis Mümkün mü?”. Felsefe Arkivi, no. 58 (June 2023): 89-110. https://doi.org/10.26650/arcp.1233381.